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    Part #25

    Letters #121-#125

    By Punkerslut, Made with Graphics by Zarateman
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    Letter #121

       Capitalism Lives, Collectivization Dies   
    The Endeavour Forum
    The Endeavour Forum to Punkerslut...
    Date: Friday, October 29, 2010

    Dear Andy,

         I don't agree with you that Bill Gates hired assassins. I don't like his funding of population control, but that is different to hired guns. You just make wild assertions - according to you anyone with any wealth or any land has murdered someone or many people. This is nonsense - live in the real world. You could redistribute all the arable land in the world, and in ten years time, some would own more, others would lose what they had by their own stupidity or vice.

         And communal ownership does not work - the Soviet Union tried it and it caused famines.

    Babette

    "...the more these measures are discussed, the more suggestions are put forward, the better the results achieved in the end."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1919
              "How Shall We Change the Law?"


    Letter #122

       Human Rights Violations   
       of the Bourgeoisie System   
    Punkerslut
    Punkerslut to the Endeavour Forum...
    Date: Friday, October 29, 2010

    Hello again, Babette,

    >>"I don't agree with you that Bill Gates hired assassins. I don't like his funding of population control, but that is different to hired guns. You just make wild assertions - according to you anyone with any wealth or any land has murdered someone or many people."

         Brad Will, Emilio Alonso Fabian, Jose Alberto Lopez Bernal, Fidel Sanchez Garcia, and Esteban Zurita Lopez. These are the names of some of the people who have been assassinated in Mexico, when Microsoft's supported government opened fire on crowds of men, women, and children. More than twenty were killed. This was 2006. As you can, see, Andrew Carnegie's 1892 execution of workers in the Homestead Strike wasn't just a careless incident -- it was a real trend that is a definite part of Capitalist society. A century later, and your system is still hanging up the bodies of the dead and denying the smell. Oh, and then there's human rights issues in Taiwan, South/North Korea, and China, other places where union organizers are typically executed or put through forced labor. (Read the wikipedia articles for "Human Rights in..." and then those nations.)

         Ah, yes, I can see you family compassion among Catholics, especially caring for a dominant Catholic nation where white Imperialists still oppress the population. Yes, deny it all together! When the Church blessed the chains of the slave and the chambers of the death camps, they weren't doing anything wrong. Even if it meant Catholics becoming slaves and victims. Quite a morality -- it doesn't even extend to those who are similar to you. They don't even exist.

    >>"This is nonsense - live in the real world. You could redistribute all the arable land in the world, and in ten years time, some would own more, others would lose what they had by their own stupidity or vice."

         I'll just repeat myself since you did...

    "If everything was divided into tiny portions, the worst human beings would use artillery to claim their neighbor's plot, and the problem would begin again. A tiny portion is meaningless, anyway. What's a mechanic going to do with a turbine, and not the assembly line? What about a generator and not the iron press it powers? What about a canal and not the watermill it powers? That would be individualist capitalism.... Socialism is collective -- all of society's productive property is collectively owned by everyone."

    >>"And communal ownership does not work - the Soviet Union tried it and it caused famines."

         Did the Soviet Union give everyone the right to own the land? No. Then was it communal? No.

         You shouldn't believe everything that every government tells you.

    Sincerely,
    Andy Carloff

    "Miss Edelsohn refused to be censured by the police and refused to give the bond of $300. She declared a hunger-strike if sent to prison, as a protest against her sentence of ninety days imprisonment. She was sent to the workhouse but was transferred to the City Prison, Long Island. The Free Speech League appealed her case meanwhile getting Miss Edelsohn out of bail, April 25th, which for the time being terminated her hunger strike."

    "Pending her appeal Miss Edelsohn continued her agitation against the United States becoming involved in war with Mexico and for the sympathetic strike for the miners in Colorado. It was in connection with this work that she participated in the meetings at Tarrytown where she was arrested with fourteen others for attempting to speak on the Colorado situation at Fountain Square, Tarrytown, N.Y."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1914
              "The History of the Hunger-Strike"


    Letter #123

       Just File a Complaint About the Human Rights   
       Violations With Your Local Constable   
    The Endeavour Forum
    The Endeavour Forum to Punkerslut...
    Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010

    Dear Andy,

         There is a big difference between some company hiring people to assassinate other people and your claim that Bill Gates murdered hundreds. Prove the latter or go to the police with your wild assertions.

         The land and all property under communism is supposed to be communally owned. It does not work.

    Babette

    "It is a difficult task for any group, advocating a new ideal, to reach the public ear. The difficulties are multiplied when such a group must at the same time educate the members of the police department as to how we may lawfully do this. Nevertheless, these difficulties like all others, must be met and overcome. And the time seems to have arrived when advocates of Birth Control must devote themselves seriously to the work of educating the police as to our legal rights."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1919
              "A Law Breaking Policeman"


    Letter #124

       There Is No Social Collectivism   
       With Individual Dictatorship   
    Punkerslut
    Punkerslut to the Endeavour Forum...
    Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010

    Hello, Babette,

    >>"There is a big difference between some company hiring people to assassinate other people and your claim that Bill Gates murdered hundreds."

         Some company hiring assassins to kill other people is different than the people running that company doing the same thing? I don't understand that logic at all. Or, are you going to tell me that conditions for unionists and workers in China, Indonesia, Taiwan, Korea, etc., are good, and that they face no violent from the government? Even the UN has criticized Burma, the homeland of Walmart production, for summary executions of its own people. I'm not bringing up any new information here. You can google-verify the conditions of the working class in about three seconds for any of those nations.

    >>"Prove the latter or go to the police with your wild assertions."

         The UN has recognized human rights violations by the forced labor camps employed by Microsoft and Bill Gates. If the UN knows, what do you think Sheriff Digby is going to do?

    >>"The land and all property under communism is supposed to be communally owned. It does not work."

         But it's not communally owned. It's owned by those who are in charge of the Communist Party. They actually own it. They're the ones who say, though, "This land is communally owned, and everyone can work it!" It's just like how your own Capitalist politicians tell you, "This is your world! It belongs to you!" No, it doesn't belong to you, or any of us (except the top 1%). They're just telling you that so you'll think that this is the height of freedom, and never try to gain anything more for yourself.

         And why doesn't it work? If you asked anyone who thoroughly hates Socialism or Communism, they'll probably say "Because it just means absolute worship and power for the little, Communist Party on top, with everyone else on the bottom." Ah, so now you really see, it is just Capitalism, with different names for the same exact things.

         If land was really communally owned, then every person would be able to say "I have a right to work, and to earn my bread, to this land and my own liberty with it." But, that is not the case, in either Capitalism or Statist Communism. Libertarian Socialism, or "Anarchism," has worked marvelously It ceased because of facing invasions by Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, and the Pope. And no matter how good your social organization, enough bombs will be able to blow it apart. Even so-called parliamentary "Democracy" knows that lesson.

    Sincerely,
    Andy Carloff

    "The politician is usually a representative of the great trusts...a creature owned by the big moneyed interests which depends for their profits upon cheap labor...."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1936
              "Birth Control"


    Letter #125

       Popularize Anarchism, Okay?   
    The Endeavour Forum
    The Endeavour Forum to Punkerslut...
    Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010

    Dear Andy,

         I agree with you about Burma. I also agree that conditions for unionists in some developing countries are not good, but these are a reflection of the poverty in those countries. As their GDP improves, so does the situation of workers/unionists.

         You should try to sell your anarchism through the media instead of just arguing with me. And don't tell me that because the media is owned by capitalists you can't get your message across. If you are going to use this excuse, then you are like a puppy chasing its own tail - no hope of catching it and even if it did, what would it do with it?

         The fact is that anarchism is not popular, not with bosses, workers, farmers or whoever. In China farmers who may even own their own land are glad to get away from the back-breaking work and to the bright lights of the city.

    Babette

    "...the decided shift to direct action indicates how thoroughly they have put aside their faith in the machinery of law making and law enforcement."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1919
              "Western Women Demand Information"



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